Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 3:41 pm Post subject:
Official Red Alert 2 Infantry Models
Subject description: AND BATCH PROCESSING n SHP CONVERTION TOOL
WWs Infantry models. Nuff said
Note, there are missing models that i don't have and textures, as well as lighting and cameras because those were XRef objects and i don't have them, unfreeze everything and delete the xref objects or remake them since the camera and lighting positions still exist.
The models are rigged, but the bone animations were once again xref files and i don't have those.
Westwood used in Debabelizer to process the renders(http://www.equilibrium.com/debabelizer/) and kinda just like us rendered separate shadow, AA, no AA versions except this tool processed them in batch not without manual interaction if possible.
Additionally there the SHP convertion tool to convert pcx to shp in the results folder of the batch_processor folder
Where did I get these?
A Allied Spy gave them to me!
Shame about the xref files, they could have been a great way to make different theater versions by changing the skin and re-rendering.
I might have a go at animating a few sometime, I've always wanted to see the sniper walking upright instead of hunched over. _________________ Last edited by Mig Eater on Thu Aug 28, 2014 5:01 pm; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
My hunches were right. I knew they were bubbled out like that. That's basically how TSAE has created its infantry environment. Do they use biped object tags or a custom bone set like C&C generals did? We could easily throw together an animation library for either animation type.
Darn. They were using Biped, but the conversion destroyed the biped information. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
No you don't, but you can easily transfer animations from one model to another using bones and key frames/bipfiles with significant ease, even if they aren't a single unified mesh. Not to mention using bones significantly reduces potential squash errors when multiple mesh objects are linked. Bones and Bipeds make animation a lot more simple and a lot more versatile. _________________ You come for the modding but you stay for the Crap Forum. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 10:56 pm Post subject:
I'll be honest.
I am not that surprised. Considering this guy has already pulled out miracles regarding development of RA2 - I would be surprised if someone else would have pulled this out.
It's indeed a headscratcher tho, I agree with you on that. _________________ "If you didn't get angry and mad and frustrated, that means you don't care about the end result, and are doing something wrong." - Greg Kroah-Hartman
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Posted: Thu Aug 28, 2014 11:45 pm Post subject:
This is absolutely incredible. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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holy shit, i see oblama _________________ I am authorized to send out the TMP Studio, PM ME IF YOU WANT IT And check this out, these were sent to me for help with terrain and zdata help along with TMP Studio/Builder
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:41 am Post subject:
tomsons26lv wrote:
Where did I get these?
A Allied Spy gave them to me!
We wanna know how you got these old crappy awesome rare models! _________________
DarkVen9109 wrote:
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
They don't even use morphing meshes. Maybe it was because they thought that they may decide to turn them into voxels at some point, or maybe the 3D modelling tools were not very good at that time. QUICK_EDIT
It is mentioned in the file missing path. The only doubt is that they say they have been founded in 2008.
If that's the case, may be someone could contact them. _________________
DarkVen9109 wrote:
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
Wow, this is very informative.
Already the fact that they used a bad fake lighting consisting of a simple spot and 4 additional simple omni lights is very interesting.
No wonder infantry look that simple shaded and wrong lighted compared to other SHPs.
Also interesting that they used the default Biped to animate the model.
However the biggest question is still: How the hell do they have been found after such a long time?
Does WW/EA know that these are public?
Are there perhaps more models where they come from? _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
Shame about the xref files, they could have been a great way to make different theater versions by changing the skin and re-rendering.
I might have a go at animating a few sometime, I've always wanted to see the sniper walking upright instead of hunched over.
I managed to restore them,the xrefs contained all the position and rotation info and the camera is in the Parachute max.
There are 2 xrefs, one is of the beta lighting setup and the second is the final setup with the topdown shadow, i managed to restore the beta setup to near perfection
The Parachute still uses beta lighting
original SHP <> rendering
The final setup is a lot more trickier since there are no big models using it
However i need someone who can remake a accurate anims of at least the Conscript so i can compare how the lighting interacts with the model VS what's in the shp.
Blade wrote:
Atomic_Noodles wrote:
Should be doable with the Yuri Model. Just re-rig his animations/skeleton whatever you 3D guys call it.
Is that yuri? I was thinking it was the psi-commando. Personally I'm looking forward to the first ivan bombing chrono monkeys.
That's the PSI Trooper, not even the Commando. But i checked, the PSI trooper is just a Yuri model with different materials, was able to almost restore it aside from a darker colored coat.
Parasite03 wrote:
These models might have been mady by Orion Nebula Studios.
It is mentioned in the file missing path. The only doubt is that they say they have been founded in 2008.
If that's the case, may be someone could contact them.
Their not, they were made by WW artists, if WW really contracted Nebula Studios then that would be for the FMV's that had a heavy CPU requirement to render. The missing textures refer to missing terrain textures apparently made by T.J. Frame, that were only used as a environment map, which was only used when rendering the cameos. And the file directories clearly say they had a shared server where the shared art assets were stored.
Dutchygamer wrote:
Waitwhat, these are THE original models the RA2 inf SHPs are created from?
Mhm.
Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
Wow, this is very informative.
Already the fact that they used a bad fake lighting consisting of a simple spot and 4 additional simple omni lights is very interesting.
No wonder infantry look that simple shaded and wrong lighted compared to other SHPs.
Also interesting that they used the default Biped to animate the model.
However the biggest question is still: How the hell do they have been found after such a long time?
Does WW/EA know that these are public?
What would you call real and good lighting then. They did what they could at the time at the same time making sure it can be rendered in a certain timeframe since they were on a deadline you know.
Lin Kuei Ominae wrote:
Are there perhaps more models where they come from?
Not really.
If you are looking for proof on authenticity can't really provide anything aside from what's in the max files, the fact the output of parachute max even if rendered without proper lighting is exactly the same as it's ingame as far as pixels textures go,
besides that they are saved with 3D Studio Max 3 and 3.1 and are really small in max file size, if they would be re-saved with a newer version they would grow to over 1 MB size _________________ Tiberian Dawn, Red Alert, Tiberian Sun ,Red Alert 2,Renegade, Command & Conquer 3,Tiberium and Tiberium Wars and Westwood related image & video archive
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 7:57 pm Post subject:
Awesome that you've amanged to restore the lightning, totaion and camera. Adding animations to this would make for a perfect infantry remake. _________________
DarkVen9109 wrote:
What in the name of insanity is this? I FRICKING LOVE THIS LOGICCCC!!!!!!!!!!!!OOOOOOOOHEEAWWWWWWWWWWWYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWW PEW PEW PEW PEW BOOM BOOM BOOM!! Nice I love this!!!! Ferriswheel bomb, Dive bomb. New Logic discovered thanks to Kenosis
Their not, they were made by WW artists, if WW really contracted Nebula Studios then that would be for the FMV's that had a heavy CPU requirement to render.
Nah, Westwood pretty much rendered on its own. In the 1996 feature on the Bravo TV station, they showed their rendering farm with 50 Pentium 90-s with 128 MB RAM. _________________ Administrator of CNCNZ.com and EVA Database, the C&C Wiki QUICK_EDIT
What would you call real and good lighting then. They did what they could at the time at the same time making sure it can be rendered in a certain timeframe since they were on a deadline you know.
I think even back then 3ds max 3 had a directional light. Many buildings at least seem to use such a light source with parallel light beams.
In addition is it performance wise better and also easier to use only 2 light sources: one omni light with "ambient only" for the basic brightness in shadowed areas and a directional/spot light for the lighting coming from southwest.
Thank you very much anyway for giving us such a nice view into the work of WW.
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i just noticed, that they use a Biped, but the Biped is afaik a quite new functionality. It wasn't available in 3ds max 6 and was only introduced after that (3ds max 9 has it)
So i wonder how these 3ds max 3 files can have a feature, that didn't even exist back then. _________________ SHP Artist of Twisted Insurrection: Nod buildings
What would you call real and good lighting then. They did what they could at the time at the same time making sure it can be rendered in a certain timeframe since they were on a deadline you know.
I think even back then 3ds max 3 had a directional light. Many buildings at least seem to use such a light source with parallel light beams.
In addition is it performance wise better and also easier to use only 2 light sources: one omni light with "ambient only" for the basic brightness in shadowed areas and a directional/spot light for the lighting coming from southwest.
Thank you very much anyway for giving us such a nice view into the work of WW.
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i just noticed, that they use a Biped, but the Biped is afaik a quite new functionality. It wasn't available in 3ds max 6 and was only introduced after that (3ds max 9 has it)
So i wonder how these 3ds max 3 files can have a feature, that didn't even exist back then.
Right so being able to use the original models to "Add" new animations to some infantry isn't gonna be useful...
Can use it to add New Animations to the existing ones like giving the Spy a Pistol Attack and the Crazy Ivan throwing his dynamite (If people are still into turning Ivan into grenadiers)
Giving proper Swim Animations for the Attack Dogs as well. _________________ ~ Excelsior ~ QUICK_EDIT
What would you call real and good lighting then. They did what they could at the time at the same time making sure it can be rendered in a certain timeframe since they were on a deadline you know.
I think even back then 3ds max 3 had a directional light. Many buildings at least seem to use such a light source with parallel light beams.
In addition is it performance wise better and also easier to use only 2 light sources: one omni light with "ambient only" for the basic brightness in shadowed areas and a directional/spot light for the lighting coming from southwest.
LKO, do you realize you are probably talking with the guy responsible for the "ugly lights" in the first place? There's good chances this is a WW employee which was working on this area... QUICK_EDIT
Converted into a single 150MB .blend file with a million copies of each material or a single 75MB .blend with some units missing materials (they're all there, but the 150MB is because blender will crash if trying to remap users on that many materials so I had to just delete the copies. So any infantry using the copy is now untextured.)
@4StarGeneral
I just wanted to thank you for the blender conversion, they make my life a ton easier, and give plenty of nice insight on how Westwood did things (albeit not as accurate as the Max version).
And it allows me to look into the possibility of remaking the Conscripts from the Statue of Liberty Artwork, and all that jazz when I get bored enough later down the line. _________________ https://www.moddb.com/mods/cerebral-cascade
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Official Red Alert 2 Infantry Models
Wow, these are a amusing and interesting. It sure does raise some questions, but indeed thanks!
