Show us some of that imagination you have there then, Blubb. I'd love to see a quick sketch of something better.
Actually, anyone who can come up with a better design is welcome to show me, I'll happily replace the Devils Tongue, Subterranean APC, and Sicarius less box like designs
Other designs besides a box... Spherical? Trapezoidal? I could do one shaped like a pie! Maybe a a sort of Cylindrical one? With wheels all over it? Or a giant ant! A burrowing one! Last edited by Orac on Fri Dec 11, 2009 12:43 am; edited 2 times in total QUICK_EDIT
i did once a concept for a subtank, but it got lost unfortunately, hyper is the only one who could have a backup of it afaik, but oh well, in the world wide web should be alot of tanks or concepts of video game designs of tanks. _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:37 pm Post subject:
Crimsonum wrote:
vefbl4 wrote:
SHP>VXL.
No.
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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:51 pm Post subject:
Yeah, right, I meant Voxels. 100% agree with Blubb there, btw. Teslacoils exist, you know. Some even reach the sizes of those seen in RA - the just cant shoot that far - would be possible tho if combined with taserlike mechanisms _________________ audiopulse sagt:
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Luke | CCHyper sagt:
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Actually, anyone who can come up with a better design is welcome to show me, I'll happily replace the Devils Tongue, Subterranean APC, and Sicarius less box like designs
Fine then!
Well no dont use these designs there kinda shit and from my old mod, the long one(APC) is actually the destroyer ship upside down and edited!
But no seriously the first thing that popped into my head when I saw this voxel was
blubb wrote:
batmobile
Like the two sides of the grinder look like the back two wheels of the batmobile, just make it look less like one
Cadillac is the other thing that popped into my head
I like that shaving machine , now it's going to be the SHAVING MACHINE OF DEATH, well it's way better than the shoebox .
Yeah, when I looked at the shape ingame it did remind me of that. I don't know whether or not to take the design further, I don't like it as much as the Cadilac/Batmobile look, tbh. QUICK_EDIT
and believe me orAC; its nothing personal, but if one really goes forward and says "i can only imagine boxes" it is really something... _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 2:52 pm Post subject:
I think Oracs design is solid. That last post was not necessary. _________________ audiopulse sagt:
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I think Oracs design is solid. That last post was not necessary.
Orac wrote:
Interesting designs. I'll look into their feasibility/look ingame.
Arselona wrote:
Dont use these designs there kinda shit and from my old mod
And besides the style doesnt suit this mods style, there two different stlyes.
Why I post the designs was because
Orac wrote:
Actually, anyone who can come up with a better design is welcome to show me, I'll happily replace the Devils Tongue, Subterranean APC, and Sicarius less box like designs.
For the fun. Im sure Orac wasnt expecting anyone to do that and besides they were already made ages ago!
Now just because I dont like the batmobile stlye, well I didnt expect it to change! But I thought id give my opinion, like you Audiopulse. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:01 pm Post subject:
You got something wrong - Blubb criticized Orac because of his statement that he couldnt imagine any other shape than a boxy one. First of all Orac sets his conditions differently - hes approaching the Devils Tongue in a more realistic way and tries to stay true to the Predecessors Style from Standart-TS which is one of the proclaimed goals of TO, by the way. Considering this hes quite right about the box - there is just no other (geometrical) shape youd stay true to the old design.
Even if I/we completely forgot about that - Orac has shown solid work in the past. That last post about him being only able to imagine boxes was exaggerated and untrue - hence my post.
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Now just because I dont like the batmobile stlye, well I didnt expect it to change! Rolling Eyes But I thought id give my opinion, like you Audiopulse.
I appreciate your Enthusiasm and the way you dont just post plain textbased posts but even add graphical suggestions - I wasnt really referring to your posts, though, nor did I compare them with Oracs. _________________ audiopulse sagt:
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not even TS was true to its predecesssor, and i its simplicity even the normal shoebox had "something". _________________ Hydraw Art on Facebook QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:52 am Post subject:
Audiopulse wrote:
Teslacoils exist, you know. Some even reach the sizes of those seen in RA - the just cant shoot that far - would be possible tho if combined with taserlike mechanisms
None reach the monumental sizes of RA's, nor is the issue "range". (in the sense that electricity "fizzles" out or something)
The issue is that you cannot direct electricity to go in the direction you please. The electricity needs a path from the source to the target. A rather weak explanation that has been tossed around here and at APB forums (IIRC) is that the Coil uses an ionizing laser to create this path.
Tasers aren't remotely similar. A taser is basically a gun that fires 2 electrodes that are connected to the gun (the power supply) by wires. They pierce, allowing the gun to deliver an electric current directly to the target.
And then there is the whole thing about Tesla Coils slagging tanks. _________________ YR modder/artist, DOOM mapper, aka evanb90
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Like I said in the staff forum and should have really posted in this topic regarding the Devil's tongue
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can't say im a fan of the devils tongue
i mean the voxel is nice but it kinda reminds of the the batmobile or something
I always picture subterranean units to be more industrial/practical and sorta dirty. Like heavy machinery but built for warfare...
However so as not to make this post a duplicate here is an idea that you might like
Assuming you are using a .exe hack (HyperPatch?) which has a whole range of new armour types to play with. It would be nice to give the devil's tongue (sub apc and other subterranean units too) a secondary weapon.
This secondary weapon could only target armour type 'GATE' for example.
The Primary cannot target the 'GATE' armour
This secondary will have a extremely close range and have lotsa nice spark particel effects and basically destroys the gate really quickly using the front blades of the subterranean unit (just like in the FMV and something Gooch stated he wished was in the game)
On a side note, i think that gates should be MUCH stronger than they were in Vanilla TS and that most units should not be able to shoot over wall like they can in TS (but cannot in TD/RA/RA2)
Just an idea but could really add a nice bit of flavour to subterranean units and some new strategies
However this ability will be largerly redundant if gates are not massivly stronger than the weak and mainly useless gates in TS.
Oh and voxel section animations for subterranean unit blades would be nice
can't say im a fan of the devils tongue
i mean the voxel is nice but it kinda reminds of the the batmobile or something
I always picture subterranean units to be more industrial/practical and sorta dirty. Like heavy machinery but built for warfare...
However so as not to make this post a duplicate here is an idea that you might like
Assuming you are using a .exe hack (HyperPatch?) which has a whole range of new armour types to play with. It would be nice to give the devil's tongue (sub apc and other subterranean units too) a secondary weapon.
This secondary weapon could only target armour type 'GATE' for example.
The Primary cannot target the 'GATE' armour
This secondary will have a extremely close range and have lotsa nice spark particel effects and basically destroys the gate really quickly using the front blades of the subterranean unit (just like in the FMV and something Gooch stated he wished was in the game)
On a side note, i think that gates should be MUCH stronger than they were in Vanilla TS and that most units should not be able to shoot over wall like they can in TS (but cannot in TD/RA/RA2)
Just an idea but could really add a nice bit of flavour to subterranean units and some new strategies
However this ability will be largerly redundant if gates are not massivly stronger than the weak and mainly useless gates in TS.
Oh and voxel section animations for subterranean unit blades would be nice
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:29 pm Post subject:
Consider that the sub apc doesn't have any weapon, so you could already give it a massive drill weapon. I was planning to give the sub apc on RoO, a grinder attack animation, since it was going to be a shp, but haven't tested how shp subterranean vehicles look, yet.
However if you give it a weapon that can destroy concrete buildings it would be weird, since then you would have to explain why you can't go underground when you're over concrete. QUICK_EDIT
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Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:22 pm Post subject:
The Idea is neat - and would look pretty awesome. Sadly - machine is right. That would be an quite obvious flaw in logics. There might be some gorey ways for DTs with Infantry tho.
The Idea of having something in the looks of some sort of heavy-industrial machinery in a brownish/rusty look with some big pipes on the back ... interesting. The DT should be a Highend-unit anyways - crowds of them woudl be a pain to manage (Imagine one blowing up...) _________________ audiopulse sagt:
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However if you give it a weapon that can destroy concrete buildings it would be weird, since then you would have to explain why you can't go underground when you're over concrete.
I always assumed the gates were metal ? _________________ QUICK_EDIT
It seems that I never showed off the alternate Devil's Tongue. Anyway, here it is. It isn't great, imo, but it is different - which iirc is what you all wanted.
Obviously, the remap is slightly too copious on the edges, but if I ever decide to continue it further I expect that the red lines will be toned down. If I don't continue on it, I'll most probably release it.
all of the DTs are facing outwards, and the alternative DT has no visible conventional wheels or tracks - however there are some small grinder wheels mounted on the tail and back... QUICK_EDIT
I have to disagree. What is it even, a flame trike?
Blubb just likes something different from the typical boxy subterannean units, even if it looks like a spider or a tricicle. I don't like the new design either, It looked better before in my opinion. QUICK_EDIT
Well, good news for you Aro. That isn't the 'new' design, but rather na alternative design.
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But I thought id give my opinion, like you Audiopulse.
and basically destroys the gate really quickly using the front blades of the subterranean unit (just like in the FMV and something Gooch stated he wished was in the game)
